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Postby crustyasp46 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:39 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069


Change to 'Bios' will make for PCs that boot in seconds
By Mark Ward
Technology correspondent, BBC News

The Bios in modern computers dates from the earliest IBM PCs
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The upgrade will spell the end for the 25-year-old PC start-up software known as Bios that initialises a machine so its operating system can get going.

The code was not intended to live nearly this long, and adapting it to modern PCs is one reason they take as long as they do to warm up.

Bios' replacement, known as UEFI, will predominate in new PCs by 2011.

The acronym stands for Unified Extensible Firmware Interface and is designed to be more flexible than its venerable predecessor.

"Conventional Bios is up there with some of the physical pieces of the chip set that have been kicking around the PC since 1979," said Mark Doran, head of the UEFI Forum, which is overseeing development of the technology.

Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long been surpassed.

"They are as amazed as anyone else that now it is still alive and well in a lot of systems," he said. "It was never really designed to be extensible over time."

AMI is a firm that develops Bios software. Brian Richardson, of AMI's technical marketing team, said the age of the Bios was starting to hamper development as 64-bit computing became more common and machines mutated beyond basic desktops and laptops.


The Bios tells the computer what input and output devices are installed
"Drive size limits that were inherent to the original PC design - two terabytes - are going to become an issue pretty soon for those that use their PC a lot for pictures and video," he said.

Similarly, he said, as tablet computers and other smaller devices become more popular, having to get them working with a PC control system was going to cause problems.

The problem emerges, he said, because Bios expects the machine it is getting going to have the same basic internal set-up as the first PCs.

As a result, adding extra peripherals - such as keyboards that connect via USB rather than the AT or PS/2 ports of yesteryear - has been technically far from straightforward.

Similarly, the Bios forces USB drives to be identified to a PC as either a hard drive or a floppy drive.

This, said Mr Richardson, could cause problems when those thumb drives are used to get a system working while installing or re-installing an operating system.

UEFI frees any computer from being based around the blueprint and specifications of the original PCs. For instance, it does not specify that a keyboard will only connect via a specific port.

"All it says is that somewhere in the machine there's a device that can produce keyboard-type information," said Mr Doran.

Under UEFI, it will be much easier for that input to come a soft keyboard, gestures on a touchscreen or any future input device.


UEFI is proving a boon to those managing lots of computers in data centres
"The extensible part of the name is important because we are going to have to live with this for a long time," said Mr Doran.

He added that UEFI started life as an Intel-only specification known as EFI. It morphed into a general standard when the need to replace Bios industry-wide became more widely recognised.

Alternatives to UEFI, such as Open Firmware and Coreboot, do exist and are typically used on computers that do not run chips based on Intel's x86 architecture.

The first to see the benefits of swapping old-fashioned Bios for UEFI have been system administrators who have to oversee hundreds or thousands of PCs in data centres or in offices around the world.

Before now, said Mr Doran, getting those machines working has been "pretty painful" because of the limited capabilities of Bios.

By contrast, he said, UEFI has much better support for basic net protocols - which should mean that remote management is easier from the "bare metal" upwards.

For consumers, said Mr Doran, the biggest obvious benefit of a machine running UEFI will be the speed with which it starts up.

"At the moment it can be 25-30 seconds of boot time before you see the first bit of OS sign-on," he said. "With UEFI we're getting it under a handful of seconds."

"In terms of boot speed, we're not at instant-on yet but it is already a lot better than conventional Bios can manage," he said "and we're getting closer to that every day."

Some PC and laptop makers are already using UEFI as are many firms that make embedded computers. More, said Mr Richardson, will result as motherboard makers complete the shift to using it.

He said that 2011 would be the year that sales of UEFI machines start to dominate.

"I would say we are at the edge of the tipping point right now," he said.


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Re: Modern computer - New Tech

Postby Kherr » Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:20 pm

Hmm... Sounds like UEFI is going to be FTW! :D

(this also sounds like I'm going to have to start learning again, and I just really don't have time for that ATM...)

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Re: Modern computer - New Tech

Postby crustyasp46 » Sun Oct 03, 2010 1:10 am

No, I don't think there will be much learning involved, I think it just means a newer, faster way to access the peripherals on your computer, for a cleaner more efficient boot :thumbup: :hi:
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Re: Modern computer - New Tech

Postby JAHGoVeg » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:24 am

this will be awesome, its about time that someone realized the BIOS Was inefficient
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Re: Modern computer - New Tech

Postby Hot Trout » Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:28 am

BIOS and CMOS standards have been out of date for some time. This will allow the BUS to identify all connected equipment at the same time and simply start the boot from the disk. Excellent and cant wait for faster boot times. Take that smug grin off MAC users.
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Re: Modern computer - New Tech

Postby Kherr » Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:02 pm

Hot Trout wrote:Take that smug grin off MAC users.


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Re: Modern computer - New Tech

Postby arinlares » Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:47 pm

I'm not sure how exactly this will revolutionize computing. I might be missing something here, but I only see two or three seconds of BIOS, and the rest is the OS loading the kernel, identifying hardware, and starting daemons (which, on my netbook's Debian install only takes 8 seconds, and my somewhat-bloated Arch netbook install thirty, both quite short boot times), all jobs that the BIOS doesn't do. I highly doubt it'll make up much for boot times of over-bloated OSes, and don't honestly see a big need of this for non-datacenter use. Color me skeptical, but the gains don't seem to be much.
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Re: Modern computer - New Tech

Postby Hot Trout » Sun Oct 03, 2010 3:46 pm

Its not just the initial boot that the BIOS has a job to do. It is everything to do with the way the OS speaks to the hardware, it all goes via the BIOS. The new way of doing things will alllow for faster communication (less translation) when the system is running. This will speed up loading of the OS because the OS will not have to place P&P devices, IRQ's, memory ranges etc. In theory all of these hardware pointers will be in place from the word go.
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Re: Modern computer - New Tech

Postby crustyasp46 » Sun Oct 03, 2010 4:04 pm

Regardless of speed of boot, if this eliminates some of the flaky bios that exists, and the need for updating bios, which can be destructive, then it would be a good thing. If it makes a computer run more smoothly and help make systems more stable, that is an even bigger bonus. The one thing that I do hope it does is not be a system that only supports Windows OS, and allows for choice of OS. :cheers:
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Re: Modern computer - New Tech

Postby Guest » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:55 am

This is all very interesting. I like the idea of a faster, smoother computer. Ever year technology is taking leaps and bounds and discovering new ways to oust themselves. Cant wait for 3d projection. Now THAT is the future ;)
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